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Poster: kdern Date: Oct 31, 2011 7:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Lesh

Just discovering how brilliant Phil was on the bass. Any suggestions for a couple favorite shows/recordings that would feature lots of bass?

A couple I have enjoyed so far are 3/24/73 Spectrum and 6/22/73 PNE.

Also - Further is coming here to St. Louis next month. Worth going? Never saw them before and it's not cheap! ($45-65!)

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Nov 1, 2011 9:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

can't forget the philnomaly that happened to the SBD of 1972-10-21. Excellent playing, the mix is totally whack but more than listenable. And phil is WAY up, its a great time.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-10-21.set2-partial.sbd.miller.94409.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Nov 1, 2011 11:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

Re: more about Phil's jazzy playing

Phil was a Jazz Trumpeter. I personally took pleasure in upgrading his oldest surviving recording. We have Phil creating jazz compositions and playing trumpet in 1959 with the San Mateo College Jazz Band.

This stuff is in the Live Music Archive. To help celebrate Phil's 70th birthday, I made a feeble attempt to make a small donation to this place. I de-hissed Phil's old jazz tapes. I also pitch-corrected the other three tracks that Duane didn't get around to:

1-Thumb-phil.gif

http://www.archive.org/details/phil1959-04-05.pitch.dehiss.upgrade.flac

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Nov 1, 2011 5:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

Here are suggestions from a discussion here in March of last year:

solo in the middle of the epic Rotterdam Dark Star:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-05-11.sbd.ashley-bertha.7364.sbefail.shnf

H>S>F
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1976-08-04.sbd.miller-tobin.35171.flac

Philo Stomp
http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-10-28.sbd.ashley-bertha.20405.sbeok.shnf

11/11/73 The post-verse solo from Dark Star. Phil comes up with some really beautiful stuff here.

12/6/73 dark star has one of the coolest sounding solos from Phil.

8/6/74 eyes of the world solos.

the darkest of stars chock full of snarling tigers and the CHUNKIEST of bass:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-11-13.aud.owsley.gems.105812.flac16

Love the jazzy Playin' in the Band:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd74-05-14.sbd.murphy.1823.sbeok.shnf

Scarlet>Fire from the all too well known 5-8-77, especially early in the Scarlet:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-05-08.sbd.cantor.sacks.266.shnf

Do It In The Road from spring of '85:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-04-07.sbd.keith.14614.sbeok.shnf

just in case anyone needs there heart fibrillated or maybe just needs some light backyard demolition. Other One I think might do the trick:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1979-10-27.sbd.fix.miller.98561.flac16

Playin' > UJB > Morning Dew > UJB > Playin'. Plenty of bombs, and his interplay with Jerry is at it's most telepathic. It's great to see that he's still doing what he loves most and keeping the flame alive:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd73-11-17.sbd.gardner.4749.sbeok.shnf

between Eyes and Dancin'. Fantastic!!
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-02-26.sbd.cantor.deibert.83283.flac16

China>Rider:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-10-04.fm.glassberg_winters.28363.sbeok.shnf

Phil isn't actually on stage during this acoustic set (well not yet) and the reason becomes apparent as Bob mentions the last place he saw him during the banter between All Around This World and Gathering Flowers For The Master's Bouquet:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1969-12-26.sbd.warner-evans.28448.sbeok.flac16

the "raven space" is worthy of a mention:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1982-04-19.mtx.tobin.89314.sbeok.flac16

Dark Star 6/24/73. One of many jams that Phil decides to kick into a new and interesting space (at around 6:30). The way the band follows him makes this one the Phil moment that jumped out first in my mind.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-06-24.sbd.miller.99852.sbeok.flac16

Shakedown St. He's high and clear in the mix and funking it up while locking it down:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1979-11-29.sbd.miller.95831.sbeok.flac16

I always enjoy his contribution to Casey Jones on Oct. 23, 1973: "Okay okay okay asshole, okay asshole, okay asshole, that's it for you, you're through."

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 1, 2011 6:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

8/4/76 has Phil very strong in the mix, so you can really hear what he's doing.

Same with this show:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-11-24.sbd.clugston.10022.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 1, 2011 6:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

Screw the jinx, all it means is that great minds think alike.

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Poster: turnphilup Date: Nov 1, 2011 6:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

I hardily approve of this post. Can't find the "like" button for it. Phil is never to high up enough in the mix for me, hence my moniker. Thanks for the links. Phil up your space.Peace

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Nov 1, 2011 10:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

Phil has some great solos in various song and jams all over 1973-74. Besides the others mentioned I would suggest these.

2/15/73 Dark Star - Phil takes a long, great solo and during the transition into Eyes of the World Garcia joins in. The two of them briefly and brilliantly intertwine for a stunningly melodic passage that while painfully ephemeral, may just be the most beautiful in the band’s history:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-02-15.sbd.hall.1580.shnf

5/26/73 - The Other One - Similar to 6/22, this Other One goes to some pretty interesting places:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-05-26.sbd.miller.patched.83535.flac16

6/10/73 - Dark Star - Phil has a really neat, almost funky solo that at one point sounds like he quotes a rock and roll standard, but I couldn't say if it's a particular song or not:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-06-10.sbd.miller.tobin.patched-89730.90979.flac16

10/25/73 - Eyes of the World - Nice example of his many Eyes solos:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd73-10-25.sbd.vernon.14451.sbeok.shnf

His Eyes solos would get even better in 1974:

5/17/74 - Phil's soloing is just exceptional; Jerry even joins in during the second one leading a gorgeous, wonderfully jazzy duet between them. The way they intertwine during the minor key passages is just awesome; I haven't heard many better examples of this:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd74-05-17.sbd.gustin.202.sbeok.shnf

6/20/74 - Excellent, melodic solo and jam:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd74-06-20.sbd.clugston.2179.sbeok.shnf

7/19/74 - One of the longest and best Eyes bass solos, at one point Jerry tries to come in but Phil is having none of it and just won't quit!

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-07-19.sbd.miller.32634.sbeok.flac16

And I should also mention that he was the highlight of many a great Spanish jam in 1974...this one is a favorite:

6/23/74

http://www.archive.org/details/gd74-06-23.sbd.cribbs.16780.sbeok.shnf







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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Nov 1, 2011 10:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

hey ya 73 nut.

Hows that winterland 73 box set treating ya? Did you listen to the 1973-11-09 china rider?

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Nov 1, 2011 8:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

Very nicely! I haven't gotten all the way through it yet (more to come when I finally do), and i'm saving the 11/10 jam for a special occasion (he he), but so far it's excellent.

I've listened to the 11/9 C>R a few times now. I do really dig Bobby's energetic solo, but overall I find the uber-jazzed out 11/11 version to be superior; Garcia's solo is just so perfectly crafted. Of course, this is imho.

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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Nov 1, 2011 11:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

hmm, looks like I have homework.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Nov 1, 2011 11:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

indeeeeeed!

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Poster: utopian Date: Nov 1, 2011 9:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-04-08.sbd.miller.83716.sbeok.flac16
samson

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1980-01-13.sbd.miller.106517.flac16
franklins

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1982-08-28.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.106166.flac16
other one

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1983-09-02.fob.beyerm160.vlenihan.103181.sbeok.flac16
minglewood

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1984-05-07.sbd.fix.walker-scotton.miller.96343.sbeok.flac16
bird


http://www.archive.org/details/gd1989-07-09.sbd.miller.81177.sbeok.flac16
West La


http://www.archive.org/details/gd1993-03-24.sbd.miller.109210.flac16
Listen very carefully to the NFA. one of the deepest phil bombs recorded. you can hear phil pause, go to his controls and deliver.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 1, 2011 6:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1979-11-24.mtx.seamons.113741.flac16

If nothing else, the Rider here is filled to the brim with Phil and his weaponry. He and Jerr seem to get into a contest over who will do the most damage. To me it comes out a draw, but only after levelling the place.

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Poster: utopian Date: Nov 1, 2011 10:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

love that china rider & indeed fall 79 had some serious phil moments.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1979-11-29.sbd.miller.95831.sbeok.flac16
eyes

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 1, 2011 6:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

Ohmigosh. I just saw this. This is too funny. It's got to be a forum first -- a double jinx! (See zeroenvy's post, mine, and yours ... same time.)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 1, 2011 6:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

Oh, perfect, now I'm jinxed. On the way home my iPod will probably get stuck in a loop on Sunrise from 11/2/77. Great.

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: Nov 1, 2011 9:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

45-65 bucks is good for tickets.

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Poster: gaZeebo Date: Nov 2, 2011 7:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

don't forget to check out 8/14 and 8/15/71. Phil is way turned up and sounds wonderful.

Esp. the other one from 8/14

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Nov 1, 2011 8:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

Just pick any pre-hiatus show and let 'er rip!

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Nov 1, 2011 2:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

Go see Furthur. This latest version is the best one for getting a Phil phix. John Kadlecik knows how to get out of Phils way, he actually plays guitar in support of the bass. I have not liked any of the previous incarnations of this group as I found the other guitar players were so far below Phil's stature and yet they tried to be the center of attention...fail! Only Jerry could stand toe to toe with Phil. At least John knows his place in the pecking order - basically I'm going to Furthur to hear Phil lay down those one of a kind monster lines. I play bass in several Dead type bands and I am all about following the sineous Phil bass lines, the other stuff is just fluff to keep it interesting for the non-bass players in the crowd.

Furthur sounds like a class AAA rock band, but with a AAAAAAAAAA bass player.

Phil sounded amazing all the way through the GD's history. I really like the raw early stuff but I also really dig the Modulus super rigs that got used in the later years. I always liked a big bass bomb that shook the rafters at the Hartford Civic Center. You just need to find the right recordings to get the real feel of it...that and a top of the line stereo rig...I use my bass rig as a subwoofer if I'm really jonesin' for a Phil phix.

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Poster: westyvw Date: Oct 31, 2011 10:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

I say go. The shows I saw last year where a bit of a novelty, fun for what they were. The shows I have seen on the current tour have been fantastic. I find myself actually listening to them again in my car, which I can't say I was doing before. Not everything is roses, and they are not the Grateful Dead, but they aren't wasting time or rehashing the past either. You will hear songs you never would have, and lets face it, you have no idea how long Phil and Bob will want to keep playing for you.
And since you started this off with Phil, you will be happy to know that he is still playing great bass.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 1, 2011 1:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

good point westy. phil is the primary reason i've gone to see furthur. plain and simple, he still fucking rocks. reason #2 is jeff chimenti. reason #3 is the song selection and setlists.

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Poster: zeroenvy Date: Nov 1, 2011 6:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1976-08-04.sbd.miller-tobin.35171.flac

as dhamma mentioned is his post this show is a good phil show.. It is wierdly mixed so phil is right up in your face most of the show.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Nov 1, 2011 6:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

That's really funny. See my post below. We said exactly the same thing at exactly the same minute. OK, you beat me by 17 seconds :-)

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 1, 2011 7:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

These latter era fans are all well intentioned, but unless you seek out and find early era New Potato Cab versions, you will not be hearing the real Lesh...pick anyone that comes to mind; obviously, 68 is the place to start...

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Nov 1, 2011 7:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

Don't mean to regurge old hash, but your definition of "latter era" might differ from others here. My own line of demarcation is late 78/early 79 (end of the Keith era, beginning of Brent) but a case could be made for other points in time in the 70s. Even from strictly a "Phil" point of view, it would more difficult for me to qualify his "eras" so to speak, as I feel he was remarkably consistent until roughly the same time. He's still playing with some verve four decades later... and in some ways I think his singing has improved!

If I remember correctly, you felt they were a quite different band by 73-74, is that your latter era after that? Just curious...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 1, 2011 8:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

Oh yeah, I agree about Phil possibly being the one exception (of course, it is primarily the drop off in singing that gets me over the yrs, so since he had the sense to stop, he's probably been wise to my "position" for yrs, eh? Oh...right...he started again--my bad, er, his bad?).

My focus goes thru 71; it's just personal preference; when I argue with folks hereabouts, I go on about lack of energy, drug use, drinking, etc., leading to a general lack of punch in latter era shows, Jerry's degradation, etc., whatever improvements might have coming with playing ability as they aged...

Just like CREAM; EC might be "better" in the 70s, or whenever, but you never get that youthful energy and exploration that you do with the 60s, right? I just generally am biased toward "early is better" for most bands. I think it took a lot out of them, not unlike sports--you have a limited shelf life living that life style, IMHO. Or just IMO, forget the "humble".

;)

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Nov 1, 2011 10:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

! ! 71 ! (I know I shouldn't, but I'm taking the bait anyway. Just for fun.)

I realize at this point I should dig back and find all your posts supporting your preference, and I realize I'll never convince you otherwise. Heck I'd even agree with you on most of it - limited shelf life with the life style, youthful energy, early is better for most bands - but that misses the point. I would contend, as others before me probably have, that the the band certainly got better after 71 even as the candle of your messianic zeal for the band sputtered and died.

Case in point (for me anyway): the songs - I really enjoy a lot the songs post '71, like Help/Slip/Franklins, Eyes, Miss.HS, Scarlet/Fire, WRS etc. I think these can hold their own against anything from WD/AB. Adding Keith was crucial as well - I love the Dark Stars from the early era, but I think KG helps to kick it up another notch.

Point 2 - Garcia's playing was MUCH improved though the 70s - more sophisticated, more lyrical and musical, more technique, more inventive, better tone. I know many think his playing was sharper and more energetic in 68-69, but for me a lot of that was machine-gun notes... yes very boisterous and fast, but occasionally strikes me as frenetic flailing and overly simplistic on repeated listens. He really communicates more with the guitar throughout the 70s.

As to "general lack of punch" - We can disagree. I think Wall of Sound or spring '77 packs a wallop. Maybe not as agile as 71, but I couldn't ask for more power.

For this listener, the superb ingredients are all there by 70-71, but the dish hasn't cooked long enough. Or, another way - the vintage needs more time in the cask - it hasn't reached the full-flowered, chewy complexity of greatness fully achieved. And I'd agree with you, lots of the later vintages don't hold up well over time, even though there's a few sparkling varietals here and there.

If my GD glass consisted only of 68-71, I don't think I would be satisfied at all with such lack of variety. I realize you've listened to your fill of "latter" era, but I was a little bemused at the thought of holding 72 in that category.

just IMO. (~);-) Kindly pour me a glass of that New Potato, would you? very refreshing on ice...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 1, 2011 5:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

Yup; as I always end with in these discussions, since I literally lived with them from 74 to 82 live (I think everyone agrees Jerry has serious health issues by then, and Bob talked his way through songs, etc.), I had more than I need of that sound. So now, when I have the interest, I go for what I missed...that's really what it boils down to.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 1, 2011 10:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

Or IMOWISFSTAETTCIITSITFOATIS



(In My Opinion Which Is So Far Superior To Anyone Elses That To Contradict It Is To Spit In The Face Of All That Is Sane)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 1, 2011 10:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

BS is shorter and amounts to the same thing.

:-)

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Nov 1, 2011 10:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

That's the problem with society, always looking for a short cut.

FU

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Nov 1, 2011 10:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

hahah

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Oct 31, 2011 7:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

I say furthur is worth it.....I'm going to 2 upcoming shows...!!!

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Poster: Jim F Date: Nov 2, 2011 12:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lesh

Ah, a fellow St. Louis head...wouldn't doubt we've probably met before, knowing this town.

Wish I had time to read and post in this thread, but I don't right now. But I will say, Go See Furthur!